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Jan 8Edited

'' You pay a fee; they provide men with rifles.''

Ironically, that's how the Mafia was born. From Britannica: ''The Mafia owed its origins to and drew its members from the many small private armies, or mafie, that were hired by absentee landlords to protect their landed estates from bandits in the lawless conditions that prevailed over much of Sicily through the centuries.''.

As for taxes, I don't see any problem: if you earn more, you pay more tax, if less, you pay less. Who's going to pave the streets, build hospitals, providing basic schooling to children, for free? Who's going to pay the policeman who defended the citizen, or the fire brigade who puts out a fire?

Who's going to pay the army that defends your country from an attack from another country, ironically, probably lead by a bad government, which is closer to the 'state of nature'.

Without government, no one would care, since each would be ruled by 'boundless egoism', as Schopenhauer explained.

As for the government, it's not going to beat you to a stick, whereas without it, anyone can do that to you, if they just have a bigger stick than yours. Without a government, you would have to face violence on a regular basis, every time you stepped out of the door, and even while being in your home.

The 'stages' as Nozick described them, only apply to the worst countries, not to First World countries.

No one is ever entirely 'free'. No one can live their lives without being subject to some kind of force or another, and in fact, to numerous ones. Schopenhauer explained all this in his essay about freedom of the will. What Nozick is right about is that there's no such freedom. What he's wrong about, I think, is that he attributes this lacking to governments.

There's bad governments, decent ones, and better ones. Sure, no perfect one exists. If anyone wanted to keep every cent they earn, they would have to do so on a private island or something. I imagine that's how a creepy state like Vatican City is created, but I don't know enough about that, mine is just a guess.

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El mundo es mas complejo. Los impuestos no son solo un robo entregan derechos y servicios. Claro si me quitan el 50% de mi sueldo y no tengo salud, educación, infraestructura, seguridad. Lo puedo tomar como un robo. Pero la verdad en muchos estados, incluso aca lo menciona. Si entrega lo minimo, pero en la sociedad y con el estado y sus representantes se empieza a trabajar en que es lo minimo.

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